Now for the hard bit: restoring trust in copsCity talk | John Leicester 17 Oct 2019
As a police van sped past them, the 90-year-old woman and her 60-year-old daughter raised their fists, pointed their thumbs down, and yelled "Triads!"
That silver-haired women in Hong Kong no longer think twice about openly accusing officers of being in cahoots with triads shows how public trust in the city's 30,000-strong police force has been catastrophically damaged in the storm of protests.
One of the most pressing problems to solve for leaders will be dispelling the widespread public scorn for police officers.
Graffiti likening officers to dogs and worse is all over the city, and protesters have chanted for the force to be disbanded.
Overall, Saturday's rallies were lower-key and more peaceful than other far larger and more violent protests that have rocked the city.
Riot police were deployed but stayed far behind the day's largest rally, which drew thousands of peaceful marchers in Kowloon.
Police said rioters tossing molotov cocktails have damaged an MTR station, but there was no repeat of the more intense destruction and battles that have spread across Hong Kong.
Restoring any semblance of trust between police officers and the 7.5 million people they are sworn to serve and protect is going to be a long, hard battle.
Demonstrators widely decry the force's policing of the hundreds of protests that began in early June as thuggish, with more than 2,300 people arrested.
Its liberal use of tear gas and what has become a familiar sight of officers in full riot gear pursuing young protesters and making muscular, sometimes brutish arrests has come as a shock to a city that long prided itself on being safe.
"They beat the butts out of people," said the 90-year-old woman, Cheng Liang Yu, who angrily shouted at the passing police van with her 60-year-old daughter, Dorothy Lau.
One of Lau's daughters is a part-time police officer. Lau has her photo, proudly saluting in her police uniform, stored on her cellphone.
But she was equally dismissive of the force her daughter serves.
"They're too violent," she said.
Together with another of Lau's daughters, Liz Yuen, the women joined a protest of about 200 people, many of them retirees, outside police headquarters in Wan Chai on Saturday.
The peaceful rally held a minute's silence for victims of what protesters described as police abuse.
Photos taped on the pavement showed X-rays of fractured bones that protesters alleged were broken in custody.
Patrolling discreetly in their midst, a handful of plainclothes police officers tried to break the ice.
They stopped traffic to allow elderly protesters, some with walking sticks, to cross a busy road to join the sit-in rally.
They also took heated verbal abuse.
"The police and the triads are brothers!" yelled 75-year-old Chiu Shui-tin, directing his anger directly at officers who shuffled silently away. "The police don't protect us anymore!"
One of the plainclothes officers said the past few months have been tough on them, too.
He said he worries that people who know him might leak that fact and his personal details on the internet, so protesters can target him and his family.
To lower his profile outside of work, he said he's now in touch with only a small circle of his closest friends.
He lamented that protesters who used to target officers with nothing more dangerous than paper planes now hurl bricks and gasoline bombs.
One of the protest movement's key demands is for an independent inquiry into the policing methods deployed against protesters and widely held conspiracy theories - repeatedly and strongly denied by the police force - that detainees have died in custody.
However, protesters are also pessimistic that Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor will bow to that or other demands.
She has just delivered her annual policy address on Wednesday, and if demonstrators don't turn out in force for that, it could be another hint - along with the toned-down rallies on Saturday - that the movement may be losing a little steam.
A 58-year-old English and history teacher at the protest outside the police headquarters said she'd been terrified by the increase in violence this month, which included two police shootings of teen-aged demonstrators.
She said trust in the police would take "a million years to rebuild."
The teacher said she didn't want to be identified by name because her school wants "all the staff to stay absolutely silent.''
"We can't do without the police, but we can't rely on the police,'' she said."So what do we do?''